Editor’s note: The below interview contains spoilers for Season 2 of Our Flag Means Death.

The Big Picture

Izzy Hands’ death in Season 2 of Our Flag Means Death is a major blow to the crew and the series as a whole, and his absence will be felt in the story to come. The dynamic between Izzy and the rest of the crew evolves throughout the season, showcasing moments of camaraderie and genuine emotional connections. Per actor Con O’Neill, Izzy’s rendition of “La vie en rose” in the episode “Calypso’s Birthday” is a moving and audacious choice, reflecting his complex character and the profound storytelling in the series.

At the heart of Max series Our Flag Means Death, created by David Jenkins, is a motley group of misfits. Sure, they might be pirates, and sure, they’re typically affiliated with their deeds on the high seas, but what we’ve seen more often than not is that these particular members of a ship called the Revenge, led by Stede Bonnet (Rhys Darby), are more than just a crew — they’re a family. Nowhere is the feeling of family more felt than in the closing moments of Season 2 when the crew loses one of their own. Izzy Hands (Con O’Neill) has arguably been one of the characters who’s shown the most personal growth amidst the rest of the pirates aboard the Revenge. From initially serving as a thorn in Stede’s side and an obstacle in his burgeoning relationship with Ed Teach, aka Blackbeard (Taika Waititi) to ultimately becoming one of the crew’s strongest stalwarts, Izzy’s death was a major blow to the characters themselves as well as to the series, and if Our Flag Means Death does secure a renewal for its (planned) third and final season, his absence will no doubt be felt in the story to come.

Naturally, when the opportunity arose to speak with O’Neill about his time on Our Flag Means Death Season 2, we had to seize it. Over the course of the interview, which you can read below, the actor behind Izzy Hands spoke about how his character started off the season, how Izzy’s dynamic with the rest of the crew became the most honest version of itself, why “La vie en rose” is the most appropriate song for Izzy, what it was like to film his final scene of Season 2, and more.

Our Flag Means Death Release Date March 3, 2022 Cast Rhys Darby, Taika Waititi, Rory Kinnear, Con O’Neill Main Genre Adventure Genres Comedy, Action, Adventure, Biography Rating TV-MA Seasons 2

COLLIDER: I’m so glad that we finally got the chance to touch base about the show.

CON O’NEILL: Yeah. It’s been really uncomfortable not being able to talk about it.

Izzy, as a character, really goes on a beautiful, poignant journey this season. In the beginning, Ed is Blackbeard and back to the old lifestyle of raiding and pillaging ships, but it feels like something’s off. Izzy has what he wanted back, but at what cost? What was your take on that — reverting to the way that things used to be, but, obviously, there’s been a shift, and things aren’t quite the same?

O’NEILL: It goes back to how it used to be, but Ed’s broken, and that’s the difference. Before Stede appeared, Izzy and Blackbeard worked as a unit really, really well because they were both on the same page. When Stede breaks Blackbeard’s heart, Izzy and Blackbeard aren’t on the same page. Basically, Izzy’s looking at a man that he loves falling apart, and all the joy is gone — not just from Blackbeard, but from piracy. He can see Ed’s decline, he can see the decline in his crew, which is fundamentally really, really the most important thing to him. He can feel his own heart breaking, because he’s seeing the devastating impact of his actions. So, it’s a pretty bleak start to a season, but we do have fabulous make-up.

It does feel bleak, especially for Izzy at times, who goes through the amputation and has to adjust to a new normal of not being able to get around the way that he used to. But it’s also an opportunity to see the changing dynamic with the crew. I was really touched by the moment when they built [Izzy] a new leg. It’s moving on an emotional level, but it’s also proof of how far this group has come. Was it nicer to be able to play those moments of camaraderie instead of being at odds all the time?

O’NEILL: What’s interesting, though, is the love for Izzy to his crew and the crew to Izzy, it’s always been there. It’s just not being presented in this way. The giving of the leg, I believe, is the first time in his life where he’s actually had an emotional connection that he wasn’t able to control. That act of kindness overwhelms it. But he’s still a pirate, and the leg ultimately allows him to be a pirate again. He does change his attitude towards his crew after the new leg and after the unicorn statement, but it’s also about how to navigate the new crew as the first mate. And that’s the beauty of what David’s written. It’s not suddenly he’s this new guy. He’s still a bit of a dick, but he’s their dick, as Vico says.

It’s a beautiful human version of the story that could have been really sentimental, and I don’t think we go there. He doesn’t suddenly become everyone’s mate. That was never going to happen. That would have been dishonest. But he just has a need for them more because he’s not as physically able as he used to be, and with that comes an understanding of them. The way he deals with Lucius is very specific in that he can’t give Lucius love and understanding without calling him a twat — because that’s who Izzy is, but he does give him love and understanding — and that’s down to David and David’s choices. Remember, this is a comedy. He’s done all this in a comedy. That’s really profound that we’re going on these routes of human stories in what is essentially a comedy.

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One that really stuck out to me was Izzy singing in the “Calypso’s Birthday” episode, especially because it plays as a backdrop to some pretty significant moments. I wanted to ask you about the preparation process behind performing that song. Did you have to record it and also do it live on-set?

O’NEILL: I got an email from David a third of the way through the shoot asking me if I knew “La vie en rose,” which, of course, I knew, but only as I’d heard it. I was actually in Wellington filming a different show because I did a different show for a week, and I just got this message. We were just gonna sing the English version because we didn’t have the rights to the French version, and I don’t speak any French at all. Nothing. Zilch. And then I got the phone call. Would I be able to learn it in French? So I did. I called a lot of people, and a lot of people who say they speak French don’t. But my partner does, and I have a friend who just played Piaf. So, between the two of them, they gave me an understanding of the French.

We recorded both versions, and I lip-synced to the English version first before the scene with Ned. I thought we were just gonna do a little bit of the French version for the end of the episode. I had no understanding that it was gonna play out the episode. I’m thrilled that it does, but it was terrifying. Every minute of that, from the recording of it to the lip-syncing it to the filming it, was terrifying. I haven’t sung in public for 20 years. But it felt right, and it felt like the absolute right choice of song. It felt like the absolute right choice of language. I didn’t want him to be too French, I just wanted him to be able to because Izzy speaks bits of every language, as most pirates would. I thought it was audacious. I thought it was moving. I thought, again, it shied away from sentimental. And I’m just in awe of how David’s brain works. If you would have asked me prior to doing it which song Izzy would sing, I’d never have thought “La vie en rose,” and now I can’t think of a song that’s more appropriate for Izzy.

I talked to David, as well, about the scene of Izzy talking about piracy in the finale, and he said it’s kind of like Izzy giving his own eulogy, in a way, before what happens next. That scene where Taika is holding you feels significant for the show — not just in terms of the weight and impact, but because so much of the cast is there, and it really feels like a moment of family getting to be together. Even if it’s mostly an exchange between Izzy and Ed, everyone’s there to send him off. I would love to hear about the experience of filming that on the day.

O’NEILL: David sent me the scene a few weeks prior, and the date was set to film it, which was gonna be in the last week of filming. It was early on in the last week, and then it was in the middle of the last week, and then it was scheduled for the morning of the last day. Then, suddenly, it became the last thing we were gonna ever film in Season 2.

Those things aren’t easy. They’re quite difficult because no matter how you think about it in your head, it’s not gonna play that way. We were on a set, we were on the ship, there were hundreds of crew, there was the whole cast, they were setting up the shot. It was busy. David, bless him, played a playlist to help us all get in the mood, but it’s just a cacophony of noise and busyness, and we’re getting towards the end of the day.

Suddenly, it was just me and Taika. Suddenly, all the noise disappeared, and suddenly, all the process of filming a scene disappeared, and it was just me and him. And Taika is a wonderful actor. Everyone talks about his writing and his directing, and this and that. Taika is a beautiful actor to play opposite. And in that moment, we just got to say goodbye to a character that we both loved. You never get a death scene that’s going to get all those boxes, but for me, it was never about what Izzy said. It was about Izzy being vulnerable enough and brave enough to say, “Sit with me.” It was about Izzy being allowed to be held in the last moments of his life. That’s all I remember about the day. I’m very proud of it.

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I just want to say thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me about the show. It’s been great to finally get to reconnect with the cast and to really get to talk about Season 2.

O’NEILL: Oh, it’s my pleasure. It’s my pleasure.

I’ve enjoyed your performance so much these last two seasons, and who knows? Maybe we’ll see Izzy’s ghost pop up in Season 3.

O’NEILL: Who knows?

You can’t predict anything with this show.

O’NEILL: No, none of us can, and none of us know. Literally, we are all in the dark, all of us, David included. None of us knows what’s gonna happen. David always wanted three seasons, and I think this story should be allowed to run its course. I would say that because I’m involved, but even if Izzy isn’t involved in Season 3, I would be heartbroken for the show if it didn’t get to conclude, because it’s an important show.

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